Jesus God versus God the Father

July 18, 2013

A Theological/Bible Related Commentary

An Encounter with Gods

A Journey into the Hypothetical

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      And now, a thought experiment: Imagine that you have found yourself standing near the entrance to a long, sumptuous, palatial corridor. At the far end of this long corridor you spy none other than God the Father seated upon a spectacularly  majestic throne. At the very entrance to this eerie passageway, you behold the God Jesus, seated atop a gloriously splendid throne of his own, still sporting his wounds from the crucifixion.

You start to head towards God the Father bent on asking Him every single profound question that has puzzled you about His Almightiness since childhood. But after taking just a few short steps, you are abruptly stopped dead in your tracks by Jesus God, who, in loud voice, and in no small measure, first admonishes you, and then utters the words made famous in John 14:6.

Jesus God:   Halt! You are to go NO further! For “No one comes to the Father except through Me!” (NIV; emphasis mine)

Now, focus on precisely what the God Jesus has just said here and you will quickly realize that there are not one, but two  Gods on scene in this scenario: one  of which you have no  access to initially, and the other  one of which you do. Moreover, it is Jesus God  who permits access to God the Father rather  than God the Father Himself !  Without Jesus God’s exclusive approval, it is impossible  for anyone  to access God Almighty. And God Almighty is in no position to do anything about it either, for it is the God Jesus and not God the Father who is calling all the “shots.’

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And so now the obvious question: How can any truly rational  individual still cling to the belief that the God Jesus and God the Father are one and the same  God? We clearly see one God blocking access to a second, yet both  Gods continue to be emphatically proclaimed by Christians who believe in the so-called “Trinity,” “the One true God.”

Believe in the existence of “square-circles,” too, do you?

Remember: If the God Jesus and God the Father are both one and the same being, it would be utterly nonsensical for there to be another being sitting on a throne at the far end of that mysterious corridor opposite Jesus-God who is simultaneously both God the Father AND the God Jesus―who just told you that you cannot come to the God the Father except through him―but who is fully God the Father too! And don’t forget that Jesus God is also God the Holy Spirit too, according to Trinitarian believers.

Got a headache yet?

And note what the “Lord” Jesus tells Mary Magdalene in John’s gospel after rising from the dead:

“Go … to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17; NIV; emphasis mine)

Whose  God was that?! A God who is not the risen God Jesus?

Finally, who  is Jesus God plaintively lamenting being “forsaken” by in Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 when He was God incarnate?

 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means My God, MY God, why have you forsaken me? (Mark 15:34-NIV-Emphasis mine.)

Oh, that’s right, a second  God.

Ahhh, isn’t intellectual (dis) honesty in religion just wonderful?

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6 Responses to “Jesus God versus God the Father”

  1. sybaritica said

    Actually, the trinity is not a universal Christian belief. Of course, that begs the question as to whether those flavors of faith can be described as monotheistic.

    • Greywolf said

      They surely cannot, if being honest.

      The nonsensical gibberish about the “mystery” of the Christian Trinity I liken to my claim that I bought several “square-circles” at my local hardware store yesterday–on sale!

      Just nonsensical gibberish, is all it is. Just flat-out nonsense.

  2. vallor said

    Good article.

    Another arrow in your quiver is simply observing how Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father…”

    Amazes me that so many Christians repeat this prayer, but don’t understand its implications.

    The whole Jesus-as-God thing makes better sense as a pagan deification of a hero (of a sort), much like Hercules.

    Mixed in there, somewhere, is the personification of “Logos”, which is a concept that had been around at least 500 years before Jesus’ lifetime.

    • Greywolf said

      I’ve had Christians tell me that Jesus was only acting as a human. So instructing others to pray to the Father and his plaintive lament, “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me!” was Jesus simply “being human”.

      But Jesus *wasn’t* simply human according to the NT. He was a unique hybrid, being 100% deity as well as 100% human being–both “parts” being inextricably bound together as one.

      The “deity” of Jesus, therefore, never left him since that was part of the very fabric of his being.

      Christians are being dishonest when they try to claim otherwise in trying to worm their way out of this very difficult exegetical problem.

      You, no doubt, have learned from experience just how intellectually dishonest zealous Christians can get.

  3. Be,Lara said

    There is only one God revelations 20:18

    • Greywolf said

      There is no Revelation 20:18. Anyway, the article clearly shows that the God Jesus and God the Father are not the very same deity.

      You can believe in only one God if you wish, but then it wouldn’t be Jesus, now would it?

      “Go … to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17; NIV; emphasis mine)

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